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alexti said:
50+/100+ astral income looks attractive, but successful expansion can bring you more. How would you fight the nation with 60+ gems income of every kind which would also had much larger gold income? Sitting and clam hoarding is essentially betting that other nations will kill each other and no single nation will be able to emerge dominant. Of course, you can target on the expansion and only forge clams with really spare gems. In this case you're not likely to accumulate that many clams, but that is practical approach, I think.
Again, looking at my example, the single Murdering Winter has allowed me to gain some lands (probably worth 200-300 gold per turn), some forts and 15-20 gems per turn. That's much more than the profit from clams. So in my view, clam forging is for the situation where you have no option to expand, when you actually need more astral gems for your immediate wars or when you have really spare water gems (remember, even if you don't need anything from water yourself, you can forge boots of quickness and trade them for something you need).
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ok but 60 gems from each looks really high to me .
first only half nations are able to search via accashic record so only they find all sites .
with the standard 50% site frequenzy in mp games you have about 2-3 sites in average per province depending on terrain .
your 60+ gems of every kind would be 400+ gems / turn .
in average i think you get about 3-4 lets say 4 gems / fully searched province .
to get your 400 gems you need so about 100 fully searched provinces .
if you control this amount either the map ( aran , inland , desert eye ) is finished already or almost finished or you control at least half of the map ( karan , other 200-250 province maps ) .
so for a not already almost winning empire or a faerun game i think 100-200 gem income / turn per sites is already quite high .
furthermore this is only fully true for pythium and other accashic Users , e.g. vanheim , man etc. have normally big trouble finding more than 50% of the sites .
you are probably all right that clams are not worth building a strat around but your example looks a bit too good to me
