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Yes, it does, and with some spells and an assload of gems/communicants there is very much point in above +2... Ever seen pythium cast 2 master enslaves in the opening turn? (boots of quicknees, matrix, lotsa communicants and gems) 
 
Also, someone already mentioned this, but I really wanna stress it: with access to lamia queens, why dont you just relief with abandon for the first 5 turns (perhaps 2 or even 3 relifers, that way you get 0 fatigue for the 5 first turns, and after that there shouldn't be much undead left.)  
			
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 Hmmm. Relief requires N3, and LQs are N1 by default (3/8 N2 and 1/16 N3). I guess I could forge a lot of treelord staves and moonvine bracelets.  
 
Also, someone else mentioned Mass Banishment. I can't find a spell by this name. Am I missing something?? 
 
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 hehe first sorry if i was a bit too critical but i felt myself a bit offended  [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]
mass banishment means taking 10+ priests who all banish .
thistle maces are your cheapest way to get +1 nature .
so relief is really good too .
or you summon ivy kings (20N gems) for that they are N3 .
as others said wither bones is against the good undeads like banelords , wights , ghosts , vampires etc. while against hordes of weak longdeads etc banishment maybe enough .