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Old September 10th, 2004, 03:23 PM
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Default Re: Ceremonial Faith

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Arryn said:
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Vicious Love said:
This has already been asked, and I'm nearly certain the answer was "no".
The answer given by pole_shift on Feb. 21 in post #255413 was "no", but I've been trying to get a confirmation of that from a dev, or from someone who's tested it recently (as there have been 4 patches since then). Regardless, if the answer is, indeed, no, then it's something the devs ought to change since calling one's god should definitely qualify as a "rightful religious ceremony". Otherwise the description should state that it applies only to preaching and not to prayer (which is a very odd distinction to make IMO, given that prayer is as much or more of a religious ceremony than preaching is).
I have no idea, but I suspect that it doesn't affect god calling.

Is god calling a prayer?

Why is the prayer more religious than preaching? This is a matter of definition of the term religion.

Personal religion, in wich prayer is indeed more important than preaching, is somewhat of a modern development. Not that it didn't exist before christianity, but it has become more prevalent or important in recent times and in the monotheistic religions. When the state (king) and religion becomes separate there is more room/need for individual religion and prayer. If the state and their gods can't protect me I ask my personal god for deliverance.

During roman times religion was a matter of state. Personal religion and piety was less common (apart from the household worship of lares and penates) before the influence of oriental mystery religions.

In times when religion was the institution that legitimized tradition and the current societal order official ceremonies and sacrifices were much of what religion was about. Preaching in dominions reflects this aspect of state religion (and should probably be called 'hold religious ceremony' or something like it).

Sorry, I got carried away.

Arryn, you are right in that there is no rational explanation of the current distinction between preaching and god calling. We havn't even though about it.

Preaching with ceremonial faith might be a way to influence people with huge and impressive ceremonies that do not have any particular effects on the god.
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