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		| Cainehill said: 
 I'd like to jump in with Jotunheim; my vote would be for the 2.13 Version - someone needs to get a significant game going to kick the new Version's tires.
  
 Hopefully by the time we get to the troublesome, game crashing construction-8 artifacts, Illwinter will have a new patch out with fixes.
 
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 Oh dear, now we're attracting the pros. 
 
Okay with 2.13 now that you put it that way.