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Old September 15th, 2004, 09:22 PM
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Default Re: From the mouth of Aristotle

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Boron said:
Nonetheless i think his numerous examples are enough to prove it .
But future will hopefully bring even more clear results pro or contra .
I have a book that asserts, and quite well-reasoned I might add (which includes detailed forensic evidence), that Hitler did not commit suicide (he was shot by an SS officer), and that the body alleged to be that of Eva Braun wasn't her, but someone else (Eva likely died attempting to escape Berlin a day or so later, and was never found in the rubble). I mention this because that book is at least as "thorough" as Machtan's book, yet that author, too, seems alone in his conclusions. One book, no matter how "good" it may appear, does not constitute "proof" of an assertion. Especially if other experts in the field fail to agree with the assertions.

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Do you have more info about that dossier from Himmler when he started to make it or a source where i can read it ?
I'll see if I can dig up something for you Online. The actual dossier is, no doubt, buried in a top-secret vault in either the U.S. or Russian archives. The only "evidence" to its existence are the numerous people who knew Himmler quite well and who have alluded to it over the years.

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Göring was another of his companions who wanted to replace Hitler .
Not really. But Goring was a highly decorated WW1 officer who thought Hitler was more-or-less inept (which Hitler was) and Goring's ego pretty much assured that he thought he could do a better job. Which he couldn't, as the Battle of Britain and Stalingrad's relief proved beyond any doubt. Though Goring couldn't have done worse than Hitler, either. (It's very hard to imagine anyone doing a worse job of managing the war than Hitler did.)

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Boron said:
I think the problem of both but especially of Himmler was that he was not very liked in puplic .
Goring was actually popular. Himmler, OTOH, most assuredly wasn't.

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And Hitler had iirc always named a successor if something happens to him who never was Himmler .
After the Hess fiasco, it was Bormann. At the end of the war, Hitler actually named Doenitz as his successor.

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Boron said:
Especially for Himmler since he was the chief of the Gestapo too
The Gestapo chief was actually Heinrich Mueller, who in turn reported to Himmler.

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Boron said:
And a bit later Hitler made him i think it was called "Reichsfeldmarschall" but Himmler failed there catastrophically too .
Himmler was "Reichsfuhrer SS", a unique and higher-ranking title (in essence, a "six-star" rank).

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Boron said:
But you are very right : If Himmler had such plans in late 1943 after the disaster of stalingrad and the failed counter offensive at kursk the opportunity for him to get rid of Hitler + Göring would have been quite well .
The question is why he didn't do that .
Himmler's almost schizophrenic mindset on the subject of Hitler. On the one hand he adored Hitler and had immense personal loyalty to him. On the other hand, the cold, calculating part of him knew that Hitler had to go. In between, Himmler's fear of what would happen to him should Hitler find out that he was plotting against him. Days before the war's end, Hitler did find out and ordered Himmler's death, after stripping Himmler of all his titles and offices.

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Boron said:
A grim sidequestion : Who of these 2 do you think was even more evil and insane : Stalin or Hitler ?
That is a VERY tough call. Stalin (by far) had more of his own people killed than all the deaths that Hitler caused. But (syphillis aside), Stalin was more ruthless than he was outright evil. Hitler, OTOH, was genocidal. And demented. And perverted. I'd have to pick Hitler.

Saddam Hussein is in the same league as Hitler, BTW.
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