[Huzurdaddi]

Cohen,

sometimes I wonder if we are playing the same game.

And with their low morale they'll flee very easily

Moral 11 is low? Sorry to inform you it is soild moral. Is it the best in the game? No. Is it soild? Yes.

For productivity, it's not that useful, soon the heavy infantry get useless AND considering that a rout in any battle == them all dead, AND the time you need to replace an army of them, AND a huge amount of time to bring them in an attack position, AND if in early expansion you get your way closed by another nation, or by a sudden appearing of 4 heavy cavalry province all neighbouring the new aquired province and you've to waste a turn to get back, you'll discover the Abysya Infantry is very poor for their cost.

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. All HI is move 1. They all have the same problem. Oh and for your 8 or so gold more than "normal" HI you get +1-+3 strength, a heat aura, immunity to fire, and +3-5 HP. Sounds like a deal to me. Abysian HI are excellent HI. Right near the top of the HI food chain.

But the population will die however.

Yes you will lose 1/2 of your population in 115.8 turns. Boohoohoohoohoo. It's a huge advanatge to Abysia.

Pick always magic-3. It's the lone way to have a decent research, considering your bloodhunters and researchers are capitol only (I mean those cost-effective, even a 200 gold costy ant.salamander can research).

Yes abysia is poor at research no doubt. However if you run the numbers you will see that those "useless" mages you can recruit away from your home province ( Anathemant Salamanders ) are actually just about as good at research as Warlocks/Demonbreds ( At magic1 best researcher: demonbred 2.67 RP/gold over 30 turns, Anathemant Salamander 2.96 RP/god over 30 turns ... at magic 3 Warlock Apprentice 1.76 gold/rp vs. Anathemant Salamander
1.78 gold/rp ... wow it's really close isn't it?).

But why let *FACTS* stop you from spouting your crap about abyisa? Keep it comming!

The lone Abysya benefit is that her blood hunters start with 2 blood

Yes poor abysia. Boohoohoo. Let's not mention that they have excellent HI, that they have extra points from heat and death, that their casters are beefy and can stand closer to the front line than mortals, that all of their troops are 100% fire resistant thus fire magic can be used as much as possible without worry.

No, no. Their *only* advanatge is that they have blood2 mages right out of the gate and can win the race to ID's ( assuming that your pretender can cast that spell ) quite easily. Oh, btw, that is a very nice perk.

They're good raiders if led by a Demonbred, they can't hide but they fly.

Good raiders? Demons are top tier magical HI. They stomp noraml armies flat. 25 devils led by a demonbred is a flying army of destruction able to defeat moral armies thrice their size.

Fire Magic doesn't count a lot.

Nope it sucks. Worth nothing. Remove those mages from Abysia. They don't matter anyway. What? You would not want them to do that? Why not? I thought it was useless? Guess it's not.

But usually expect Abysya get outmatched in blood by Mictlan, default Jotunheim and Black Forest Ulm.

Please define your terms. Outmatched? By what metric? The Warlock Apprentice is clearly more cost effective than the Jotun Skratti at blood hunting. Oh you mean they have a more cost effective blood hunter with the 1 in 4 Vaetti Hag's that have blood. But that's not going to help them get one of the 11 blood SC's is it?

Black Forest has a more cost efficient blood hunter? You don't mean the Member of the 2d Trier do you? I don't imagine that you do mean him, since he's worse than the Warlock Apprentice. Oh wait you mean the Vampire Count well those are nice and all. But they are not going to be blood hunting en mass for quite a while are they? And don't they have better things to do anyway? Oh and they have quite a substantial cost ... it's not gold however.

Mictlain. Yes the best blood hunting nation in the game. No doubt. They pay for it thought don't they? They *have* to blood sacrifice to stop dominion death. They have horrible base troops ( although quite blessable ). Their mages are capital only ( I thought you said this was a crushing problem for Abysia ). They pay through the nose for their power with blood. And well they should blood is *very* powerful. Yet abysia pays almost nothing in comparison. Weird. And amazingly Abysia BoH is comparable with Mictlain.

Thanks Cohen! Your post was extremely insightful.

Well other than just about all of it being wrong. You are right! Oh he is right about the GK. It's really very good currently.