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mac5732 said:enough of watching beach bunnies in 70 degree weather on xmas, thats just not right while i'm shoveling this stuff 
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70 is a little cold for beach bunnies. the nearly naked ones usually only come out when its in the 80s. well, at least in souther california. here in San Francisco, its usually pretty cold, so you will see some bikini's in the 70s. of course, the beaches and water tend to be f-ing freezing, so its usually just rather confused tourists or surfers in wet suits.
on Xmas day, it was downright frigid in the 50s. at night it made it all the way down to the 40s, and you could even see your breath. some people had to wear jackets. i'm not sure how cold snow is, but if its anything like a 40 degree night, you people are crazy to deal with it every year.
