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		| Graeme Dice said: 
 
 
	Do you seriously have 150 nature gems to throw away that early in the game?Quote: 
	
		| In any case, 200 VOs is a reality by turn 20, while a good sized group of Ivy Kings probably is not. 
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 You mean with out getting any Ivy Kings  

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I think you could increase the Ivy King price to 30 nature gems, and decrease their summoning bonus to +2 and they would STILL be a good cast.  Anyone disagree?