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Default Re: Recruitable Unit Rebalance Officially Complete

TheSelfishGene:

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Some random thoughts and obserations:

Prince General has not been improved. Still 10/10 hitpoints.
Oooh! Thanks, I missed that.

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Lowbowmen have 10 precision instead of 12? That should be changed back. I'm not really certain i like the Change; a weaker, faster firing crossbow...
Indy longbowmen have 11, Man longbowmen have 12. I can't think of any units with 10 precision and a longbow, but I may have messed something up... was there one in particular you noticed that had longbow + 10 prec.? But the longbow weapon change... hmm... well, weaker, faster-firing, longer range, more expensive compared to Xbow. But compared to the original longbow, essentially the same on light units, and much stronger on heavy units. I wish I could give it 25% armor piercing. But doesn't it seem wierd to you that in Dominions 2, longbowmen are useless against knights? Quite contrary to reality. I really like Rabelais's suggestion, and I'll see if I can get it to work.

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I like the Change to Imperial Tien Chi troops.
Thanks!

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Could you buff Black Forest Ulm's Illuminated One's somehow? Give them the assassinate abiliy, or a slight chance of causing bad luck in the province they occupy. They aren't bad, but BF Ulm is a pretty weak theme that relies almost 100% on a buffed VQ. Trying to play them WITHOUT a combat VQ is a very difficult exercise with their limited magic skills and poor morale troops. The Illuminated Ones are well rounded but rather inefficient per cost; and with death, BF Ulm has a hard time with upkeep, so a 160 gold non sacred caster is more expensive in the long run he looks at first. I see the I.O.s as a kind of traveling old man, with train of servents and hooded girls behind him, journeying to dine at the tables of foreign kings and dignitaries; practising unholy rights at night in his room when no one is looking, throwing poisonous converational barbs at state dinners, subtly manipulating the crowd, stirring up strife wherever he goes, and sometimes just for kicks dominating some poor serf to go burn his own house down, or kill some noble he disliked.

So i'm fond of them but would like them to a be a bit more powerful than they are now.
I'll look at them; the current mod mostly ignores leaders with magic paths. I don't like themes to force your pretender choice, which BF Ulm does. Maybe there's some way of making Sanguine Heritage castable by national mages (assuming at least one +path item is equipped). And having units fulfill their description is never a bad thing, either


Scott Hebert:

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BF Ulm? Mass Ranger annihilation works well, so I hear. FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT="

Illuminated Ones, as written, are rather disappointing. Granted, they ARE spies, and they should pay for it, but it could work out better. For me, changing Illuminated Ones/Members of the Second Tier from Astral Primary to Blood Primary would be a useful thing to do.

Illuminated One: B
Member of the Second Tier: SBB

Anyway, just a thought.
Blood isn't very illuminating, but maybe SB? And/or throwing a random onto a mage might be interesting.

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My main issues with BF Ulm, from a 'fun' standpoint, are:

1. Bloodhunting Micromanagement (no fun)
2. Pretender 'must' be able to cast Sanguine Heritage
3. Illuminated Ones are pointless (Fortunetellers do everything they do and more)
4. Scales are bad (Death and Misfortune are things you don't want with a Blood nation)
5. Rather random Bloodhunters (I'm not paying 160g for a 1-blood hunter)

As an aside, Zen's mod making the Fountain produce Blood Slaves every turn is REALLY GOOD for BF Ulm.
1) True, but it hits all nations.
2) Yes. Like Tien Chi, this is (IMO) unacceptable (for national mages to be unable to cast national spells).
3) Yep... what about making them making them (BBDD?) with a different name and description?
4) ... I never like death (with living nations). I don't care about misfortune so much, esp. with fortunetellers. But hey, they are thematic
5) I agree...


Thanks for all the feedback, everyone! I'll see what I can do, but remember that no solutions will be ideal to everyone
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