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jeffr said:
Did you ever even build a national unit? I don't remember seeing any non PD Giants, or even Jotunheim mages, but we didn't meet for a while so mabye I missed them.
I look forward to our next game 
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Not really, I guess... I did build a coupla archers on turn 1 to assist the mercs in cracking Boron's fort, do those count?
The fact of the matter is, that Jotun troops have maybe the worst effectivity/cost ratio of any national troops. You need an insane amount of them to really take advantage of their strengths, and that's gonna cost like hell. The problem, as I'm sure you know, is the morale: the poor giants have to roll, like, thrice as many morale checks as regular joes without having that much better morale. Sure sure, you could include some hirdmen or some such but they suck in other areas and are expensive... Think, I can get a 7rp/turn mage (with my magic 2) for the price of three stinking giants! And said mage will certainly be more effective on the battlefield, with Nether Bolt/Darts and all.
The mages I of course have in oodles. So much so that I'm not going to do anything to CU's earth attacks, as it's a good thing if he wastes 20 earth gems a turn to kill my mages. Frees up money to buy forts, and I don't really need them anymore since you don't have any armies that would require their particular abilities to defeat. And of course I've my research done since a while ago. (Well, not done done, but you know what I mean!)
I've managed to secure enough of an earth income that I can equip some scouts with flying boots and gate cleavers, in case you're wondering how this troopless paradigm handles forts.
In the mid-game I used vine ogres and wolves to take down Pasha's forts, but the ogres are dead and well past their prime, effectivity-wise, anyway... Other than that, I really didn't even plan to take forts before this, trusting on my dragon to keep me safe from outside intervention before the SC-train was ready to leave
You guys should get me drunk more often, look how gabby I get!
And I wanna fight ya both again some time, too... Hey, come join the Yet another Game, it hasn't yet started.