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Default Re: obat44 - West Germany

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Suurajatollah said:
Hi all,
I have found a very good page that informs a lot when it comes to modern armarment of the german army.
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch...829LC297PTILDE
Though it is written in german...

Obviously, it's the official army homepage .. should be written in german, shouldn't it? Sadly, it does not give any information about dates, which is so thoroughly needed.

But there's an english version as well - simply hit the button for the "english version" on the front page. Haven't checked the info provided, though ..
http://www.deutschesheer.de


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Anyways, I think I have found few flaws in WG OOB:
*The page informs that Carl Gustav is still in use

Actually, it is not in use as antitank weapon any more. It's says it's only used for illumination purposes.
Our problem here is - noone seems to now when it was officially phased out, and more important,at which point it was practically out of service because of ammo shortage, umwillingness to carry it along/ train with it and maybe even poor maintenance / missing spare parts
The OOB says 12/87 atm, and I tend to agree.

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Where is this new Puma IFV
Good question. It is decided it will be build and bought, at last.
The information on that site is outdated, btw.:
Only "Schutzstufe A" and "Schutzstufe C" armor variants will be build (with 32/43 ton weight).
Here are some more pages about Puma:
http://www.freundeskreis-panzergrenadiere.de/87.0.html

So we would only need 2 different versions in the OOB -
  • the airlift configuration, with low side armor, resistant to 14,5mm anti-equipment snipers and arty shrapnel; resistant to conventional 30mm AP and RPG-7 from the front and grazing hits on the flanks
  • full armor config; 30mm and RPG-7 on 3 sides

Btw., applying those armor kits (9-10 tons!) is definitly not within the time frame of a WinSPMBT battle - in fact, they are still not sure how the grunts are supposed to handle the armor slabs at all

Furthermore, it should have high general survivability, as it is build to soak up mine hits and the enemies' first shot (which he is likely to have in urban environment and peacekeeping missions) and high armor values on the turret, as it is unmanned and sealed vs. the interior.

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*Mtn Scouts have no Morale nor Experience mod +3 which is common add on to every scout units
*Ranger units in many (if not every) OOB's have +5 or greater Morale mod and Experience mod. WG do not have.

These are, as well as the various snipers, pretty generic units which do no exists in that form. I'm not sure how to "tie" them to real units, and therefore, which qualitiy to asign to them.
In general, I would leave them as they are and rate the "normal" troops waayyy lower .. a good deal of those conscripts are "Kampftrinker" (does anyone know to translate that?) and the officers jerks, but nothing more.

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*Some modern units are missing as the page informs

which ?
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