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JaM said:
So you wanna compare M113 basic version from 1960 with 2mil$ 2004 Stryker? Are you serious?
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Err...
I'll quote your first post in this thread;
M113 will be always better than Humwee or Stryker, israelis dont want strykers at all, as they know that in urban combat, wheel is a weakpoint.Sooner US army finds it, better...
My "eloquent"
answer was;
Better at what?
Peeling potatoes?
After which "the mother of all statements" followed;
In everything, they are more versatile.Wheels are too limiting,you cant add too heavy armor without stressing suspension etc...In every aspect are tracked vehicles better in combat than wheeled.
Don't blame me for starting the M113/Stryker comparison bud... its not my fault you can't keep track of the issue.
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JaM said: I said M113 is more versatile COMBAT vehicle than Stryker.Newest versions of M113 have much greater survivability,maneuverability, greater weight reserve for additional armor upgrades, cross coutry mobility etc...
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This is not UNIVERSALLY true JaM, in some areas and under some circumstances tracked is better, in some wheeled is.
All I'm saying is that tracked isn't ALWAYS better as you have stated (GOD I have repeated this a lot now). I don't have to prove that wheeled is always better since its not my position...
The Stryker will be more survivable against IED due to its design parameters, you can only upgrade the M113 so much, it will retain some vulnerabilities that its basic design have unless you rebuild it as something else than a M113.
Can a tracked vehicle be made safer against mines/IED than a comparable size wheeled vehicle? Perhaps, I don't think anyone has done so yet though. To be sure the M113 isn't though.
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JaM said:
With Stryker, you are limited to roads, tracks can go mostly everywhere.You will stuck in mud or sand far easily in Stryker than in M113.
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Decide what you are saying, are the Stryker roadbound or just more likely to get stuck?
Do tracks generally have superior tactical mobility through terrain.
Yes.
Have I ever denied this?
No.
Does a somewhat better terrain handling make tracked vehicles;
"In everything, * more versatile"?
No.
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JaM said:Soldiers in Iraq are happy to have a Stryker, not becouse it is so perfect allarounder, they are happy that they have something, and they dont ride in Trucks,or humwees becouse mostly all M113A3 stayed in USA. As i said there is not problem equip M113 with same electronics Stryker have.
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Have I stated that the Stryker is a "better allrounder" than the M113?
No.
And I guess all "soldiers" riding and driving Strykers correspond with you personally and told you they were just happy with it because it was better than a Hummwee and nothing else?
There is a buttload of M113A3 in theatre (and more in Kuwait)... I wonder why they aren't the vehicle of choice for escort missions, I guess its all about politics, eh...