i was hunting about for a se4 file that used to be available that i just CANT FIND anymore, and i came across something that might be of significane to this thread. I wont disrespect the author by pasting it here, but I will let you follow the link.
http://www.angelfire.com/tv2/NewAgeShipyards/index.html
I trust that everyone will have the respect not to nitpick and belabor the points raised there, and that any differences of oppinion can be kept to ones self. I for one, agree with the sentiment raised there.