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Old December 30th, 2005, 10:05 PM

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Default Hungarian OOB

I dont know whether spoob group is still active, anyway, I post this message. I hope developers will have the time, incorporating these into WinSPMBT. (By the way, congratulations to the effort!)

So I would like to briefly summarize the transport aircraft, helicopters of the Hungarian People's Army / Hungarian Defense Forces. The date below is from a book recently published by a former pilot of one of the two helicopter units. I cross-checked the info with friends from army and MoD, they all say it is correct, and the best available source.

Iljusin IL-28

The first planes arrived in February 1955, and the last ones were decommissioned in April 1970. However, from December 1966 they did not fly them. There were only 9 planes in Hungary, 7 combat version, 2 trainers (no navigator/bombing officer). The funny thing is, that since after the 1947 Paris Peace Treaty Hungary was forbidden to have bomber planes, there was no bombs in service, planes were only used to reconnaissance and towing drones for aerial gunnery of fighters. Crews did not even receive bombing or gunnery training. In case of war, there were to serve as recon units.

Lisunov Li-2 "Teve" (words in brakets are Hungarian codenames, used only before 1955. Teve = Camel)

First plane arrived in September 1949, last was decommissioned in 1974. Altogether there were 20 pieces of this plane, but some of them were destroyed before 1974. Also, sometime they were in civilian service.

Jakovlev Jak-12R "Gém"

Small liaison plane, similar to L-5. First ones arrived in 1952, they served until 1973. They were not intended officially for reconnaissance, but in a case of war, they would have been used, I am sure. 10 pieces served in HPA.

Jakovlev Jak-18 "Fürj"

Similar to Texan trainer, 67-68 pieces were used in aviation schools between 1951-1965. They could have been used as recon, I suppose.

Mil Mi-4

The HPA had very bad experience with this helicopter. Only three of them served, but 2 suffered catastrophe within a few years. First one arrived in August 1955, but by February 1958 there was only one left, the two others crashed. The last one was traded with Poland in 1963 for a BUTI-15 (Mig-15 UTI). Between 1958 and 1963 the helicopter only flew a few hours! There was no armament at all on Mi-4s in HPA.

Mil Mi-1M

The first real experience with helicopters, These small crafts were used as liaison and medevac (2 persons carried on outside stretchers.) First one arrived in August 1961, last ones were withdrawn in December 1982. 26 pieces served altogether. No armament was used, but they had experience spotting for artillery.

Kamov Ka-26

While not a real military plane, this one was also used and widely liked in HPA. First ones arrived mid-1971. I did not find the exact number and date of decommissioning. Probably early 90s when unit was disbanded. No armament, they were mostly used for chemical/radiation recon and spraying material against these. Also for liaison, of course.

Mil Mi-8T

Basic version of the Mi-8, it can carry 24 soldiers with equipment or 12 stretchers. Crew is 3 persons. Armament is 4xUB-57UV blocks, with 16 S-5 missiles in each (fragmentation and cumulative), or 4x250kg bombs (would be fun in the game to drop them from hovering – could you please add them?!!!) First one arrived May 1969, they are still in service.

Mil Mi-8P

Personnel carrier version of the Mi-8, can carry 28 persons with luggage. No armament, a few of them are in use. First one arrived in April 1970. Still in use.

Mil Mi-8PS

VIP carrier version, can carry only 11 persons. No armament, of course.  First one arrived December 1982, still used.

Mil Mi-9 "Ivolga"

Special modification of Mi-8, used by division/corps command. Includes cryptographic devices, as well as sets of radio etc. Only one was used in Hungary, from April 1984 to August 1999. It was then converted into Mi-8T. (Probably not applicable in this game.)

Mil Mi-17

Very similar to Mi-8T, it could carry 24 soldiers as well. Its armament was enhanced, and consisted of 6xUB-32A blocks, each holding 32 S-5 rockets, frag and cumulative, or 6x250kg bombs. (Originally, it could also carry napalm canisters of UPK-23 cannon containers, but these were never used in HPA/HDF.) First ones arrived in December 1987, they are still used (but in much smaller number than Mi-8Ts).

Mil Mi-17P

Special ECM variant of the Mi-17. It can be recognized from the "tennis-table" on its side, and the lack of side windows. It was to suppress air defences, but carried no weapons armament. Crew is 5 persons. (Maybe it could be simulated in the game by using a Mi-17, giving it very high EW, and not giving it any transport capacity. Then it could be used by the player as a "missile magnet" putting it high altitude, and see SAMs launched (emptying launchers) in vain. Just an idea…) Only 2 of them were used, they arrived in February 1990, and were converted to transport variants in January 2004.

Mil Mi-24D

First ones arrived in July 1978, they are still in use. The helicopter can carry 8 persons as desant. It is armed with a 12.7 mm 9A624 four-barrel machinegun, which carries 1470 cartridges. Rate of fire is 4-5000/min.

It has 4x9M17 Falanga ATGMs.
Other armament may include:
4xUB-32 blocks (see at Mi-17)
4xB-8V-20 blocks, each holding 20 S-8 80mm rockets
UPK-23-250 cannon containers (GS-23 cannon with 250 ammo)
GUV GM-30 container with 30mm grenade launcher built in
GUV container with 9A624 machinegun with 700 ammo, AND 2x7.62 machineguns with 1800(!) ammo per machinegun (it would be fun to use it against hordes of infantry…)
2x500 kg bombs
4x250 kg bombs
napalm canisters

Mil Mi-24V

Same as above, except that it can carry 8(!)x9M114 Shturm missiles. Started service in Hungary in December 1985, still used.

Mil Mi-24P

Same as Mi-24V, except that instead of the 9A624 it has double 30 mm cannon, fixed. They were given to us by Germany after reunification, but only in 2004 they started to refurbish them. First entered into service August 2004. Five of them will be used altogether. There were plans that with Czech Rep, and Poland we modernize Mi-24s, but Hungary left the programme. So they will probably stay as they are…
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