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halfzware said:
But if you are at a point in the game where gold still has real value to you - then black spiders simply are not worth the cost. In fact I'll make this bold statement to put things in perspective:
Spider Knights are better at cost. Even unblessed.
At 45 gold each, you can field ~14 of them for the cost of 5 black hunters. And I guarentee you 14 spider knights will win, even with F9W9. Not only would 14 spider knights beat 5 black hunters head to head but more importantly they will also do better vs a variety of units: all the way up from independants to thugs, and summons.
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...no, sorry. That's just wrong, IMO. Ignoring the fact that the resource and upkeep costs are totally different, the Black Hunters (N9F9, not F9W9) would still win.
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But still, an E9N9 bless on a black hunter seems sorta weak.
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It allows a small group of them to ride over virtually all indies with no losses - at the beginning of the game, when you have no good magic spells for your mages. You're not weighting protection heavily enough in your calculations - almost nothing can hurt them!
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The berserk is basically guarenteeing the death of the rider
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How? I don't follow. Berserk adds protection, making them even more invulnerable, and keeping them from retreating like a small party of Spider Knights would do.
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once dead E9N9 basically gives you a weak troll.
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A weak troll? With more hitpoints, berserk +3, no upkeep, lethal poison, magical flaming weapons and a high attack (or reinvigoration and additional protection)? Maybe you mean "Stronger and better than a troll in every way."
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So you're taking awful scales so you can afford a double 9 bless for what is effectivly 120 gold for a 50 gold knight that when dies turns into a 60 gold troll.
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Well... perhaps you've never seen them used effectively. Hunter Spiders make Machaka tie with Neifelheim as the easiest nations for a total beginner to play and destroy the AI with (N9E9 bless in each case), simply because each nation has a "Ultra Power Troop".
Before deciding that they are massively underpowered, try a quick game against some AI opponents, as I suggested... unless the enemy has access to MR-save (or very strong armor-negating) magic, it's an easy victory while really only building Black Hunters. Which other nations can do that? I don't believe you will keep your opinion after testing them, or being on the receiving end in multiplayer.