[Charles22]

Well sure, but I'm playing primarily from the German POV no matter what side I play and the Chinese are WAY bad in that department. Heck, what infantry isn't good in jungles against AFV's? I gave Japan that concession by mention of the ol' satchel charges on the the back routine (but I don't believe in fighting that way - suicide). It's just that I don't really consider that warfare, and really confined quarters where the Chinese or Japanese might hold their own against tanks or combined arms, though it does happen in warfare, is just a bore to me, because any ol' schmo can do it. Of course the worst thing is that there never is such thing as the advancing unit getting next to the defender undetected, such that the attacker might attack first for a change. No, the defender has to have multiple 'targets' thrown against it in the same turn, such that it runs out of shots, then that 6th or 7th target has a chance to 'start' attacking the defender (I realize the attacker 'can' shoot after the defender attacks him, should he rally and have shots left himself). I realize that's a part of the system that can't be helped, but you can see plainly how the Japanese, and worse yet the Chinese are very inadequate at stopping medium AFV's beyond range 1. Seems there ought to be times where the attacker gets the first crack, even if he is an AFV (though much less likely) or the first infantry going in. Maybe a 100 experienced commando should be able to move and attack before a 45 experienced Chinese infantry notices him at times?