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Old June 9th, 2006, 05:22 PM
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Default Re: Panzergrenadiers

And here's a example of an internet source vs a recognized wrtten source. It just happend that the "internet source" in this case is "Bayonetstrength"

<<<Bayonetstrength>>> regarding PzGren unit structure

It comprised a leader and assistant, armed with a machine pistol and rifle
respectively. They commanded two guns teams, each with a gunner and loader,
and four riflemen. The two gunners each carried a light machine gun and
pistol, their two assistants both pistols, the remaining four men each a
rifle. A driver and assistant were responsible for the vehicle, each armed
with a rifle. The SdKfz 251/1 armoured halftrack mounted its own light
machine gun behind a splinter shield. It was the responsibility of the
assistant driver to man this weapon, and a 'spare' machine pistol was
carried in the vehicle. One of the two dismounted MG34s could be placed on
a rear mounting enabling it to be used in the anti-aircraft role where
required. The concentration of light machine guns was enormous for such a
small unit. In action, the driver and assistant would remain with the
vehicle, the latter providing cover fire from the vehicle machine gun. The
dismounted troops could split into two teams, each with a leader, two
riflemen and a two man gun team. This negated the weakness of riflemen
covering a moving MG team with clunky bolt action weapons.

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It all sound resonable and likely has some validity under certain circumstances but , in WinSPww2 the dismounted formations contains MMG's mounted on tripods which has been called into question

Here's a quote from "Schützenpanzer" by Bruce Culver and Uwe Feist

"The Motorized infantry regiments in the Panzer Divisions were
organized with two battalions each. Each battalion contained three rifle
companies and a heavy support company. A rifle company had three rifle
platoons, each of which consisted of three infantry squads ( Gruppen ) .
Each squad had two MG34 light machine guns, one on a heavy tripod mount, and
8 Mauser 7.92mm Kar 98k rifles. The heavy MG section in each platoon had two
MG34's on Heavy tripods, and there SPW's also had a heavy mount for the
vehicle's forward MG34"

I know for a fact that the OOB was not built from information provided by Culver and Feist's "Schützenpanzer" yet this source does back up the structure we have in place that included MMG's in the games dismounted PzGrenZug. That is not to say that in reality the men in a PzGrenZug wouldn't sometime use the MG34/42 as a LMG and sometimes use the Tripod and use it as a MMG. Different tactical situations would dictate the usage but it also means the structure we have now is "accurate" given the limitations of translating reality into a game. However, it also points out how information can be read one way or another.

"Each squad had two MG34 light machine guns, one on a heavy tripod mount, and 8 Mauser 7.92mm Kar 98k rifles."

Could be read by someone as ....... The squad used 2 MG34 light machine guns AND " one on a heavy tripod mount, and 8 Mauser 7.92mm Kar 98k rifles." Therefore 2 MG34's set up as LMG and an additional MG34 set up as a MMG

OR it could be read to mean there were 2 MG34's and one could be mounted on a tripod that was carried in the vehicle for that purpose.

Which is how we read it.

Don
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