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Old October 16th, 2006, 05:25 PM
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Gloo said:
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...the figure 50/5 or 55/6 (Fire Control/Stabilizer) are not very différent...
... as long as we're not talking about firing/reloading on the move!
Here I don't understand: stabilization is the very figures that reflects fire on the move...

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Do you suffer from the "national pride syndrome" previously mentioned in any way?
The little é... says that I'm precisly as french as you...As could my bad english

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I'm not sure to understand precisely what you wanted to say but if you're talking about what will be the future of MBTs, I agree.
I was simply saying that 'Tout ça se sont des suppositions' oob's creator have done very 'long range' suppositions: if you want to die of heart disease, just look at the UK's MBT-law

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Concerting the Leclerc in itself you have certainly seen that is size is 4 (...) you will be surprised by the advantage given by the size.
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Yes, and so what?
You can easily check: Leclerc is 2,5 m height, the M2A1 SEP is 2,8 m height and not 2,5*1,5=3,75, so the oob creator decided to give this advantage which correspond to reality and again, at long range it give the leclerc in SPMBT a 'quasi' total superiority...

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In May of 1940, the week german panzers defeated those monsters. US Shermans did the same to Panthers and Pz V; "honeys" did the same with Pz III, and so on. Have you ever seen a B1 Bis tank next to a Pz III/IV and compared their characteristics? Can you provide any info about the superiority of the M1 Abrams over the Leclerc regarding their respective capabilities of firing while moving?
Ironicaly this is because of this particular defeat, which was underlined after german's defeat in 45 (in order to give german
troops a good morale; as they always justified their defeat against Russia by the 'overwhelming odds', see US post-war reports over red army written by germans...), that French army is always seen as a big band of cowards... Everybody forget to say that the french has lost 300.000 deads in 4 weeks which is a lot for runners and that after two weeks the brave English (that's not ironical) where back home...


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It seems we didn't get the same game, the early M1 you discribe as a 35/4 rating.
M1A2 SEP Abrams (I compared this one with the Leclerc serie 2), Obat 12, unit n° 316 = FC: 55 Stab: 6.
The 35/4 you're talking about are the M1 Abrams values but I never mentioned it should compare to the Leclerc serie 2.
Didn't you mention M1 with 105mm gun? There is some misunderstanding there... and again n°316 simply doesn't exist... So feel free to create an 'horizon 2010' Leclerc

After that let me had something: look at the anti-HEAT armor. Can you find a better one that the Leclerc?

The great problem here is the rof: Leclerc one is very hight but doesn't serve 'in game' because the final rof is determinated only by experience... A problem that simply isn't easily solved.
Also, you can see with a very quick comparison that the French oob is one of the most detailled in the game far beyond germany for instance...

Last point: I'm doing a campain about the French Foreign Legion Paratroops... can I hope you will be a play tester?
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