[Shovah32]

I agree they are different, helheims are faster and alot harder to hit but vans, point for point are more damaging. Try a f9d9 van, for the gold cost they get the same number of attacks as helheims sacreds but they also have beserk AND d9, the bane of SC's. They would also be god-like vrs niefelheim (their size 2 lets them easily gang up on giants, the f9 destroys niefel giants and the d9 destroys jarls with fire resistance ect). You could also go f9, dormant pretender and decent scales with van, still having very good troops and also being able to mass produce your great, underpriced infantry.