[dogscoff]

I haven't bought SE5 yet - no money. In fact, I haven't even gotten round to installing the demo- no time.

I have two games of se4 on PBW that I have the other players seem to take forever to play their turns on. No doubt *they* are all busy playing se5.
One of them is brand new, only a few dozens turns in. The other is one of PBW's longest-running games, well over four or five years by now and I've been in it from the start. I will be really upset if that one dries up.

I also have a single player game I'm well into. Proportions 3.05, and I'm currently not too far away from ringworld tech, with plans to build a few ringworlds with a cultural centres on. given that it takes some 85 turns just to build the spaceyard that will build the bases with the ringworld components, I am confident I will be playing this one for a while yet. However I reckon I can do it all in maybe only a thousand or so turns with high-level spaceyards and enough population (I have seven captured homeworlds to deplete=-)