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HoneyBadger said:
Ok, first of all, beware the Valks, the very first test game I ran, I forgot about valkyries and let's just say it's not fun to watch 8 units worth 4000gold get killed in one battle just because you don't have a good rear guard.
Second thing, Atlantis automatically has a big advantage over Helheim because you don't have to worry about them hitting you while you take over the sea, in the meantime you can research like crazy and attack them with 10-1 odds at your leisure. As long as your smart (not like me with the Valks) and pick them apart, Helheim doesn't stand a chance against EA Atlantis in a 1 on 1 fight. This should hold true even in multiplayer, as long as the player playing Atlantis is experienced and patient.
More to come on this subject as I do more tests, but for now, if you know you're going to face Helheim, Atlantis is a great counter, and while Van can cross the sea, they can't enter the sea, so it should hold true for Van as well.
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Sorry, but I have to disagree. 1 vs 1 Helheim will eat EA atlantis for breakfast, as song as there is reasonable proportion of land to ocean provinces, like on standard MP maps. If you don't believe me we can play 1 vs 1 blitz with me playing Helheim and you playing EA Atlantis. I can promise you'll get your *** on the plate though, since the game would be very lopsided. Vanheim has always been my favorite nation in Dom, and I hate to say it, but to be honest I have to say that they did become stronger in Dom3.
(Note that I am not saying they should be nerfed, just commenting on Helheim vs Atlantis scenario)
BTW I am not sure if you have played much against good helheim players HoneyBadger. It does not make much sense to spend huge amount of points on W9/F9 and to have dominion 4. The minimum dominion level f9/W9 Helheim should be playing is 6 or higher, and you can easily get it without crippling yourself too much.