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chuckfourth said:
Hi Narwan
Are you telling me the AP round range for a 20mm round is less than 2000m? surely not. In any case what you are saying is interesting enough but not particularily relevant to my argument, here it is in summary.
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EFFECTIVE range, ie the range at which it can still penetrate armor. That's what the game works with. If you think a 20mm AP round can still penetrate armor of 1 cm or more at 2000m please show me the data. It is quite relevant as you brought up 20mm weapons yourself to support your views on how the range of hmg's should be modeled. So highlighting the difference between the two with regards to how the game system treats them is pretty relevant.
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chuckfourth said:
In any case under 2000m there is no reason to dirrerentiate between the 7.62 and 12.7 calibres for indirect fire range.
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There is, the weight of the rounds and environmental effects on the rounds for the high ranges. These do affect the 7.62 rounds much more than they do the 12.7 mm rounds. You may not feel these have enough effect to warrant the differences as present in the game but that doesn't mean there isn't a good reason. You just don't agree with it.
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chuckfourth said:
Lastly there is a whole swag of weapons in the 12.7mm category that arent on tripods and so cant fire indirect, and so should only have 1500m range, but have the 2000m range. Ive listed most of them above.
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This point you actually counter yourself in the very same post and I quote:
"So, unless a telescopic sight is fitted all 12.7mm & co weapons firing direct should have a 1500m range"
In other words, the weapons do have a range higher than 1500m. They just can't effectively aim at a target using iron sights according to you. Using the hmg's in the indirect mode means per defenition you are not aiming at a specific target but a more general area. The targetting device isn't relevant for this function. Iron sights are good enough to fire at a more general area at ranges over 1500m as opposed to a specific target.
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chuckfourth said:
Sounds sensibe to me anyway.
Im sure you realise this but of course but when you say these weapons fire HE you mean they fire solid shot and have an in-game HE rating.
Also I have a question for you,
If the 15mm is firing solid shot and 20mm AP is solid shot shouldnt the 20mm then have at least as good a range as the 15mm and dont worry that the 20mm HE shot can go either further?
Best Chuck.
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15mm HE solid shot vs 20mm AP solid shot? Is that what you mean? Same argument as above. EFFECTIVE range for the AP designated round (game mechanics wise) is relevant here. I don't disagree that a HE 'solid shot' will travel further and can do damage to soft targets at greater distance than that the AP 'solid shot' can travel and do damage to armored targets. But both have to use the same range value in the game. So whichever way you go, it will always be a compromise.
Narwan