[KissBlade]

Well my 120 point dispel proved to no avail (though my preceding Forge knocked out the Soul gate amusing enough) so I am willing to concede as well. Well played Calmon!

Also I should point out, Utterdark is extremely powerful but rightly so IMO. It's a level 9 magic tree with a high death requirement. (IMO it should be priced 150 though not 100) However Ironhawk, I should point out, the real reason we all probably feel steamrolled by the spell is because Utterdark is LA Ermor's late game trump card. (None of us to be fair decided to gun for any late game trump cards in our delay) In a normal game, it will be many turns before Ermor is able to reach Utterdark. And by then the amount of turn difference between his casting of Well and Soul Gate would've built up enough for other nations to already have begun making preparations and been able to suitably counter it.