[Edratman]

Max: I didn't even realize the Lure of the Deep (or as I called it"Sirens") didn' work in my domain. I'm continually amazed at the quantity of layers of complexity in the game.

You are entirely correct that the water nations are very beatable in the long term and they pose little threat in winning a SP game because of the weaknesses you noted.

My comments were based on the fact that they all but impossible to take out until the end game and they are a painful thorn along your entire coast. I find them a constant distraction and I suspect that I make mistakes against land based foes because of the niggling attacks the water based nations make.