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Old July 23rd, 2007, 07:11 AM
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Jazzepi said:
Actually, I had no idea you had done this until I read it in a post 3 up.
What have we learned, kids? It pays to follow the goings on in the thread, after all.

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My problem is with the fact that you're not even involved in the conflict between Ry'leh and Atlantis.
Yep. Not involved in any shape or form. Note how there was no war when Atlantis said "gimme!". Otherwise I might've reconsidered giving them to him. Well, guess he got lucky.

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-- for some reason the person I'm fighting against suddenly has an extra hundred gems for no reason other than a quick forum post?
Luck's fickle fate.

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What if it was an extra 3000 gold? What if someone had staled 3-4 turns, had huge coffers and just felt like giving them out?
*I* didn't have huge coffers of anything when I did the thing. Thank Helheim for taking me out a lot slower than I thought he would. ;p And 100 random gems isn't exactly a lot, especially when you've been getting more gems than Atlantis on a regular basis for, like, ever, according to the graphs. Probably even closer to types you actually use. In fact I'd say that Atlantis receiving the gems only tipped the balance of power more into status "balance" rather than "imbalance".

If I had 3000 gold, I wouldn't be in the situation I'm in now would I. Ohh... What would I have given for 3000 gold... That would've had my war machine working a little longer.

And you know, these "what ifs" are kind of lame IMO. What if someone was winning the game, had 50:1 provinces compared to everyone, BUT THEN SURRENDERED? :O What if USSR was still standing? What if the nazis had won the 2nd World War?! What if that guy's mother is actually his father?!??!

Seriously though, if someone felt like giving out gems or money for whatever reason, well. That's their choice. If they aren't actually losing or anything, it's like saying... "Here are the keys to victory. Now look as I throw them away." It may suck to the players who didn't receive anything if they actually needed it, but that's how it is. Do you consider inviting another player to conquer some of your provinces before the aggressor manages to take over all of it imbalancing, too? Since as far as I know, that happens. Often.

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My problem is that you're pissing my cheerios because you want to have some sort of last huzzah before you're wiped out of the game.
This "me pissing in your cheerios" happened because you happened to start fighting with a side that happened to be one of the two who said "gimme!" when I asked about giving out the gems. If you actually read the thread at any relatively constant rate, you would've managed to predict this. It is hardly my fault that you are fighting Atlantis rather than Oceania.

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Just because they're your gems doesn't mean you should do anything you want with them.
Should? Not really. Only thing that's a "should" in this world is dying. ;p Could? Yes. Wanted to? Hell yes. I'm dead. If the only thing I can do to help someone else, even a random nation, to win, is giving gems, I'll do it. At least later, if that side happens to win, I can think that my sacrifice had some part in that victory. A small part, but still a part.

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Theoretically, I could sign up for a game you're in, farm up a couple thousand gold, then give it to one of your opponents.
In practice, one thing is griefing and the other one is not. I didn't give them to Atlantis because he's YOUR opponent. I have nothing against you. He just happened to be one of the two people to say "gimme!" when I asked. Not to mention that couple of thousand of gold isn't quite comparable to hundred random gems of which most aren't even usable by the recipient, which will have to be alchemized, dropping the actual number of gems to half. If he wanted to turn them into gold, it'd be closer to 25 fire gems then.

Not to mention that I may have exaggerated the actual number a little. ;p It's closer to 100 than 50, and most of them (~50%, probably over) were air gems, is all I can remember. All in all, I think if I had just wanted to actually affect the game's balance the most, I would've thrown the air gems (all of them) to Caelum or equivalent and so forth. Note how I did not do that.
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