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Old October 9th, 2007, 03:33 AM
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Default Re: Surface to Air Missile Inconsistencies

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I'd thought the FIM-92A had a 1 kg warhead and the B+ a 3 kg one. Further (and better) research shows they have the same warhead, tho better fusing on the latter models, hence the slight increase in HEP-HEK.
Same thing as with some Igla variants then? That'll award them +1HEK and +1HEP from the 92C onwards. Thanks for the update!
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So while your values are based on math mine are based on scientific wild-***-guesswork within a preset framework *chuckles*
Math? Me? Which math?
Rest assured that all my accuracy and EW figures are 90% wild-*** guesses as well, but being fuzzy on this is easy because no one know how it works. Actual HE weight and warhead type and fuzing are a big bit more accurate, so if I can't set up a proper scale related to real-life data, people are bound to complain (I know I would)...
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I note your MM-23 is HEP=54 HEK=40 and your MM-23B HEP=74 HEK=30. I assume the HEP 54 to 74 increase is based on the warhead being increased from 54 to 74 kg. Why does the HEK go down with the larger warhead?
Mmh, i think you misread my minimal (sabot) range figures for HEK. Did I write them in the wrong order?
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Since these are all medium range SAM's (range 25ish km) they all have a default MaxRange of 255 since apparently this is the "can shoot anywhere on the map" rating.
Regarding that, I've tried scaling the SAM ranges offmap relatively to each other. Thing is, 200 is "one step off the map" and 255 is "farther than anything else offmap" as far as I understand it, so I don't see why there shouldn't be a real rating for that as well. As far as I can tell, it competes with aircraft standoff weapon ranges in cases of standoff attack, so both SAMs and ASMs should be ranged together, to make sure you don't have the same standoff capabilities in a HAWK and a SA-5, and that anything with more legs than a GBU doesn't have the potential to out-range a medium area SAM.
Right now my range scale is linear, which explains the short range of the HAWKs, but I'll probably try out a logarithmic scale or something.
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As to a "better" scale I'm sure we could come up with one, but unless we plan to modify every OOB - why ?
Cold War mod, remember? I do plan to modify every OOB.

I'll take it for granted on the Redeye. It probably deserves a bit more accuracy than the baseline Strela-2, though we could debate for days about the relation between better operational results, inbuilt accuracy, operational use, training level...
I'll have to iron out my Igla family as well, now that you mention it. I'll tell you what comes of it.
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