[KissBlade]

Since somehow it looked like my kind played a small part in causing this, I should point out that my case of the monkey nations (Aside from Lanka) being weak is that their troops are poor precision low protection chaff for the most part and as a result difficult to early expand with on a consistent one province a turn basis. Elephants make up but Bandar chaff isn't as good as say wingless. The VQ was actually suggested because I didn't want to pick the Ghost King since when I wrote the guide, the GK was by far the best SC chassis but I thought VQ would be fun since Patala can get away with taking neg scales since their nationals aren't too great. I don't know how Kailasa/Bandar Log plays out because Lanka blows Kailasa out of the waters and Bandar Log has some problems on magic diversity. The monkey nations have poor PD but really I think their main problem is, their infantry (aside from broken Elephants) are just overpriced for what they do. The longbows cost 20 gold for larger easier to hit targets with lower precision. Against elemental battlemagics, monkey troops just disappears. To say nothing about good archer platoons early on. Once you get to late game though, they're awesome especially EA/LA with clammable mages off the bat and the astral to use it but it's getting there that's pretty tough.

I think Lordbob has some valid points about how PD can play a role in the success of a nation. PD that's hard to raid is very very annoying to deal with but that's not the main flaw of monkeys.