[llamabeast]

I don't think there is much point in playing Patala vs T'ien Ch'i. As EvilHomer says, T'ien Ch'i probably is a stronger nation, although not particularly because of its PD. MA Ulm vs Bandar Log would be much more meaningful, because many of us feel that Bandar Log would have an advantage, whereas you are certain that Bandar Log can NEVER WIN.