[Xietor]

Hadrian-The Lizards were holding their own against Lanka with K, but certainly made no headway until he left. Once K left it was like night and day. Lanka started making crucial errors they did not make under K's guidance. Yes the war did last 50 or more turns. A bloody affair. Defeating Lanka was a community service that is lost on MA Ermor and other nations that did not witness Lanka's might. But my neighbors in the North understand what the fight entailed. And the task was further complicated by Lanka's access to the forge and aid by many powerful allies.

Lolomo-you crack me up. Your Lizard imitation was very funny! But the Lizards a power? ha. You do realize that the 3 major powers own twice the gem income, and provinces of Ctis, not counting their numerous clams and globals-of which Ctis has none.

Pythium actually defeated EA Caelum on his own, and owned 3 capitals before we entered a mutual defense pact. SO I would say pythium is a bit better than you think. He is certainly not my vassal. Why would any nation be a vassal to a 2nd tier power?

I own zero high income provinces in pythium's area. Try a swamp province with income 17. So your spies are blind or ill informed. At one time I owned many Pythium provinces, but that was because my sc's were reclaiming lands from EA Mictlan who was(and still is) at war with Pythium. Pythium reclaimed those provinces from me ages ago-as i am sure MA Rylah can attest.

Pythium did allow me to move armies through his lands to reach a border with MA Ermor. MA Pangaea did the same for LA Atlantis and MA Oceania when they attacked me. That did not make MA Pangaea a vassal of the LA Atlantis Alliance-it simply meant he was not ready to fight a war over the issue.

Tien Chi, Pythium, MA Vanheim, and MA Ctis formed an early mutual defense pact to guard against LA Ermor expansion. If you go back to early pages of the thread, MA Ctis offered to lead the resistance against LA Ermor once Honeybadger died.

And these nations took me up on my offer. So I aided them as I could manage. Regrettably LA Ermor stormed MA Vanheim while i was barely holding on myself fighting 4 enemies, and was unable to aid him. Tien Chi and Pythium were in no position to fight LA Ermor either. So the mutual defense pact did not help MA Vanheim(:

MA Ctis' defense of Tien Chi honors a longstanding mutual defense pact against LA Ermor expansion. And the fact that MA Ctis is trying to fight a war many provinces from its home lands shows the integrity and honor of the Lizards.