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Old December 20th, 2007, 09:07 AM

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Default Re: US Sniper rifle???

Hi Charles
Well its fine that RF and FC values are a freestyle way of choosing rifles as long as those choices have some basis in reality.

Ian Hogg (from his book infantry weapons) has this to say. For the Mauser, a forward locking bolt gives it "greater accuracy" and it comes with a "4 power telescope which lived up to the high reputation of the german optics industry"
In Germany many other telescopes apparently appeared up until 44 when standard issue became a 1.5 power.
Lee Enfied, "never really a great success for really pin point shooting" because of a rear locking bolt.
No 4(T) had a no 32 telscope and was the first rifle in the Lee Enfield series that made a "good" sniper rifle. No 4s, like the german and russian rifles were hand selected for accuracy. They had I think a 3.5 magnification.
German Gewehr 43 semeiautomatic had a scope 4 times according to wikipedia.
Garrand had 2.2 magnification scope
There is a sniping springfield which persisted to the end of the war. May have had a 2.2* site.
Russia had the Moissin Nagent with a 4 or 3.5 telescope Hogg says "It was an accurate weapon for this role" He is not so complimentary on the Tokavrev "How often it was used as such (for sniping) one cannot tell".
The Japanese ariska rifle is a 6.5mm mauser copy and so accurate, type 97 is the sniping version "The japanese were also adept at using snipers or more properly sharpshooters, and the ariska was ideal for work of this kind"
Arisaka had a 2.5 scope

Which FC do you choose? well already I see that Jap, Brit, USA and Russ FC and RF selection is 10, 6, 3, and 0. Russ also has a 2 and Japan doesnt have a 0 wheras the Germans get 10 8 5 3 and 0 so sniping isn't as generic as may first appear.
As I see it the values are this. The -weapons- accuracy, basicly flatness of trajectory is roughly the same for each sniper rifle you might if you were to assume that the current 30 is correct for the (as it may be) "best" sniper rifles, Mauser and Arisaka and possibly Sprigfield and Moisant Nagent. You might give 25 to lee enfield and Garrand. The -units- FC value is about the sights quality and magnification the maximum of 10 can go to the 4* lenses giving the Mauser and Moisant Nagent FC of 10 the lee enfield with 3.5 then would get 9. Ariska at 2.5 would get 6 and Garand and Springfield at 2.2 would get 6 or 5. German 1.5 would get 4 (ie divide 10 by the Mausers 4* give the factor of 2.5 to multiply each magnification by. I dont know what the current FC values relate to.) The -units- RF is really for range finders but I understand that for snipers it is a way of giving them better target hit ability. It would be probably best to leave it unchanged, in that it should be the same as the FC value.
Not quite sure how to deal with the -weapons- range, a combination of accuracy and magnification. The max 15 probably Ok for all of them but real life testimonials would probably be in order. You would think the larger magnification scopes could hit out further.

Gamey players love snipers, they can call in artillery (an ability Id love to see removed), are hard to find, move quickly, can really deal out some death and are exteremely difficult to kill. I dont like them and I think they are a bit 'uber' in the game. Give them movement of 1 I say, marksmen can have the regulation 6.
And dont forget we can add the extra sniper rifles to all the other OOBs except Germanies, and so dont need different FCs and RAs for each -weapon-. For the Germans the current weapon 146 becomes the Mauser 4*. You could give the weapon as it appears in different -units- FC and RF of 0 to get a german marksman I guess. and a FC and RF of 4 for the mauser 1.5* though giving them all the same range is probably a bit of a stretch.

Best Regards Chuck.
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