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Default Re: Iraq errors report

Some additional stuff, for eventual future patches.

Formation 205, Inf-AT Section and 206, Mot Inf-AT Sec.
Incorrect availability date: they begin at 1/55 but the template unit is available since 1/46.
The formations should begin at 1/46 too.

These two formations have availability dates 1/70-12/120
Formation 36, Motorised Co
Formation 51, Motorised Pl.
The only difference from formations 35 (Motorised Co) and 50 (Motorised Pl) is the presence of an organic SAM.
To the best of my knowledge there is no reason why such unit should have an organic SAM in the 70's while republican
guard mechanized units should be without in the 80's.
I suggest the following change
1) Formations 35 and 50 have their final date extended from 12/74 to 4/103
2) Formations 36 and 51 have their availability dates changed to 1/105-12/120
3) Their structure could be changed to reflect the
new iraqi army organization: a command section (one squad and two HMMWV) and four platoons with three squads
and three APCs each.The organic SAM should be deleted of course.(although new iraqi army organization is still somewhat fluid)

Formation 6 Tank Co (SPG)
Formation 7 Tank Co (FT)
Formation 9 Tank Co (Amph)

I suggesto these formations to be deleted.
The standard iraqi tank company pre OIF was composed by a
two tanks command section and three tank platoons with three tanks each as correctly portrayed in the game now.
There is no indications that formations like the above were employed as standard and in any case
cross attachments can deal with the any specific needs.

Formation 15 Amphib Tank Pl

End date should be restricted to 4 of 103.
There is no sense in it going on after the PT-76 are phased out.

Formation 18 SP-Gun Pl

It might be asppropriate to restrict the final availability date to 12 of 1988 instead of 1991.
As far as I know the vehicles in this formation were gone before 1991.T-55/54/59/Type 69 were in
plentiful supply by then, making those vehicles redundant after the end of the war with Iran.
According to "T-34-85 Medium Tank 1944-94" by Steven J. Zaloga some T-34s were dragged
out from storage to replace wartime losses during the war with Iran (exact timeframe is not specified but
from some pictures found www.militaryphotos.net it would seem in the first years of the war).

Also a close support T-34 should be made available, with 2/59-12/88 as availability dates.

Unit 8 M47

The iraqis did not make substantial use of captured tanks (unlike APCs and SPAs).
Some Chieftains were handed to the Mojahedin-e Khalq who may have driven them out of their storage sheds
once in a blue moon or so until OIF. But that's it. If any M47s were captured they were parked somewhere.

Unit 36 Assad Babyl

I suggest icon to be changed to that of a regular T-72 and final date to be extended to 4/103.
While the tank looks a bit different from a regular T-72M1 if seen from certain point of view
it is not enough to warrant a different icon.
http://www.jedsite.info/tanks-tango/...byl-intro.html

Unit 25 T-62A

Availability dates should be extended to 4/103. Otherwise the only T-62 left after 1981
is unit 26 T-62M. This in the game sports a laser rangefinder, which iraqi T-62s typically did not have.

Unit 45 ZSU-23-4M
Availability date should be anticipated to before Kuwait invasion.
1993 is puzzling as a starting as date effective sanctions were already in place.


Unit 67 BMP-1a

Up armored BMP.There were two up BMP armoring projects.

http://www.jedsite.info/fulltrack-br...dam-intro.html
An 80's up armoring program prototype, which was probably not put in production.

And a less extensive one, which may have seen limited production.
http://www.jedsite.info/fulltrack-br...am2-intro.html

It should be decided which one this unit should represent.

Unit 332 TO-62
It should be deleted.
I have asked around and it seems that either it never existed or if it did it was a prototype/limited production item not exported.
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