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Default Re: spob34 - Apr.2008

Actually, there seems to be some mixup regarding Inf/AT/AA guns in the Italian OOB.
Might even go back as far as May 20, 1943 http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/t...lled-guns.html

The report mentions 2 truck-mounted 75/27 guns and claimes one is an AA gun made by Krupp. Yet, as far as I could find out from various sources on the net, the L/27 build by Krupp was a export model Inf gun. It was obsolete in WW2, but the Italians had nothing to replace it with and developed a HEAT shell to make it more usuable against (british) tanks.
Wasn't able to find the (horsedrawn) 75/L27 Inf gun in the OOB, and the self-propelled versions lack the HEAT ammo.
http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/show...?t=4443&page=2
http://www.comandosupremo.com/forum/...hp?f=20&t=2527


U#497 "TL-37 75L27" (from posting above)
- uses 75mm L46 M34 gun (w#124) instead of the indicated 75mm L27 Mod.34 (w#102)

I doubt L46 and L27 are anywhere similar in performance, yet they and some more are in OOB 34 ... . I think the L27 is the inf gun, and the L46 and L60 are the AA guns. Their (obviously) generic performance values should be tweaked accordingly.

U#008 & U#010 "Ceirano 75L27" uses 75mm L27 Mod.34 (w#102)
PEN 2:10 Range 75:46

U#423 "3RO 75/L46" uses 75mm L46 Mod.34 (w#124)
PEN 2:10 Range 75:46

U#425 "Ansldo 75mm M34" AA/AT gun uses 75mm L60 Mod.34 (w#115)
PEN 2:10 Range 90:46 .. btw., it's "Ansaldo" and this abbr. to squeeze the name into 15 characters is plain ugly ..

Btw, those sources hint the existance of HEAT shells for inf guns (not that high numbers where actually delivered, though .. italian crews improvised by firing HE shells without fuze?). I would suggest adding low numbers of AP and HEAT shells to the guns in question. Obviously, somebody already tried this, but why SABOT ammo was chosen I don't know ... the HEAT shells where streamlined! [ U#321,323,325,327,329 ]



Some more possible errors :

U#517-519 "Pattuglia" (Patrol) is size "1"
Should be "0" .. e.g. USMC (OOB013) patrol U#053 is size "0" but carries many more weapons and ammo ..

U#332 "C/C 50L60 PaK" has radio code "0"
Yet, #330 and #331 have code "1".
Looks like someone tried some wizardry to make the smaller guns sometimes show up later in the war, when the PaK 50 was already available but maybe in insufficent numbers .. With AT guns spread out to "Anti-Tank Guns", "AT-Guns" and improvised AT guns (inf guns), I wonder if this really works out ... .
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