Well its good to know Tien Chi and Fomoria think they have a chance.

When a nation has the research + gem advantage Hinnom has, they have gone on to win 9/10. Remember, Hinnom can blood hunt as well, so the gem advantage is even greater.
Just want to make it clear to everyone, Oceania will not lift a finger to fight Hinnom until I see several nations at war with Hinnom.
Anyway in other news, I have F, E, W gems for trade. I would like D gems and/or shrouds of the battle saint. PM me if interested.