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Tongue Re: New nation : Shangri La, Hidden City of the Secret Masters

OK, let's see...

1) Shangri La is now in MA, not EA , so I guess high Prot is OK. Furthermore, it seems tibetan armors were renowned (as far as Arabia) and of high quality. I removed some units (crossbwoman, medium infantry), so Shangri La have now units with either low prot (Bhödpa infantry with prot 7) or high prot (shangrilan infantry & cavalry).

2) Sacred units now cost much more (respectively 60 gp for Guardians of the Hidden Valley & 70 gp for Mi Dred).

3) Mages are more expensive (+30/60 gp) & less powerful (for example : Ngagspa : Earth 1, Death 1, Blood 1, 100 % chance Air, Earth, Death or Blood ; Demon Hunter : Fire 1, Astral 1, Holy 1, 20 % chance for Air, Fire, Astral or Death ; Ragyapa : Death 1, Holy 1, 50 % chance for Air or Death; Ragyapa were never meant to have Fire nor Astral magic, it's a typo...).

4) Magic diversity : Wise Ones (Mi Gö mages) HAVE some water magic (1, possibly 2), but are quite expensive, I think (240 gp for a W1, E1, N1 mage with 50 % for +1 in W/E/N), and are cap only. Ngagaspa no longer have Nature, so Wise Ones are your only access to Water & Nature, and, I repeat, they're cap only and quite expensive.

5) Yes, Shangri La have strong summons, but I'm trying to make them expensive and difficult to access: many summons require death and/or blood 3+, while you have a quite limited access to death and blood magic (karmapa may have high death magic levels, but no blood, and Ngagspa have Death and Blood at 1, and a chance to have of these two at 2, but not both), or Water and/or Nature. I'm trying to fix the cost of summons to a quite high amount of gems/blood slaves, but not TOO high (I've changed the cost about 6-8 times as for now, and I think I've found a good amount for each summon).

7) I've lowered the leadership of Dmag Dpon and Rje (respectively 40/80).

8) As for being thematic...

- I try to make units according to the documentation I found (tibetan seemed to have very good heavy cavalry, the chinese feared them a lot; they also had quite heavy infantry, and often wielded spears or swords; They also had light infantry and cavalry, in Shangri La the Bhödpa; BTW, Bhödpa means "people of Bhöd", "inhabitant of Bhöd", and Böd is tibetan for... Tibet !). I gave units tibetan names: Rta Pa means "horseman" or "mounted soldier" in tibetan, Dmag Hrag is "capable soldier", Mda Pa is "soldier armed with bow & arrows", dmag dpon means "army commander"; Nyingmapa, Karmapa & Gelug (or Gelugpa) are actual sects (understand "school") of tibetan buddhism (Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th & actual Dalai Lama, is a Gelugpa); Ngagspa is a word used for example by Alexandra David-Néel to name a sorcerer or magic-user, etc...

- Tibetan mages were famed for their great powers, they were also greatly feared by their neighbours. It is why I gave Shangrilan mages such high levels in magic (and also because many great & famous lamas were reputed to have great spiritual powers or to be great wizards or sorcerers), and many of them are priests, with high levels in holy magics, 'cause Tibet is a theocraty (priests rule and have a VERY great influence, even in everyday life) & lamas are said to possess magical knowledge.

- Magic diversity : it seems that tibetans are obsessed with magic, sorcerers & demons. Lamas are said to have spiritual powers (they are able to send their spirit across great distances, to foretell the future or see distant places, etc...), so Astral magic seems to fit in. They also inhabit a rocky mountain land (air for heights & earth for the mountains), and tibetan mages are said to be able to send messages "across the air", use illusions, may make their body as hard as rock or steel and have some powers over the land (including earthquakes or landslides, it seems). Reincarnation, strange burial rites ("sky burial") and medium-trances to comunicate with the deceased ones, all this made me include death magic. Tibetan exorcists uses fire against demons (Padmasambhava used it against the theu'rangs and against the deity/demon Pehar) and mystics use technics based on "inner fire", so I gave a bit of fire magic ('cause I couldn't give 'em a lot) to Demon Hunters. Finally, evil spells, necromancy, curses and summoning of demons and other wicked beasts (Death, again, & blood) are common when you speak about tibetan sorcerers. Even milarepa, the poet & buddhist ascet, first learned "dark magics" & used it to send a giant scorpion to crush the house of his family's enemies (who said "Bind Scorpion Beast" ?)...


(My post is almost as long as HoneyBadger's one )
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