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Old September 24th, 2008, 07:02 PM

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Default Re: Bandar Log - you whipped me with what?!?

Kuritza:

the reason BL is better suited to use Siddhas and Gandharvas and other mid to late game summons is because they aren't limited in their possible blesses like Kailasa. Thus, they can choose a bless and pretender design that optimizes these mid and late game tools. It is their slightly more conventional line up of initial units that allows them to do this, yet it is that same line up that lulls people into thinking that BL can be played more conventionally than Kailasa; nothing is further from the truth. BL is more of a summoning nation than Kail, and this isn't something people recognize simply because Kail _looks_ more Conjuration and Celestial oriented. It is Kail's initial availabitity of Celestials that makes them less optimized to use the later Celestial summons (because they _must_ make pretenders that makes these initial units viable, and these designs will not optimize the mid and late game Celestials). Thus Kail is much less Conjuration and more Evo and Alt oriented.


Also, as KO points out, Astral and Nature (I would say especially Astral) is so powerful for late game, so much so that people often exclaim a nation that lacks it is completely crippled. BL is very powerful in this area, to the extent that I don't think they even need a lot of magic outside of astral. Thus why the fact that efficient alchemy is a real boon for them. And this is just another unconventional resource of BL that people discount right out of hand, due to common experience with other nations. BL is a completely different animal (so is Kailasa for that matter).

On a similar note, BL HAS the mid-late game tools in spades. And a lot of their weaknesses that Konming picks up on are moot in late game. PD? Irrelevant. And who by late game is using standard troops for anything but support? And Konming's point about the bless being less important is wrong, and is the kernel of what I'm claiming is the reason people fail with BL. Even their recruitable sacreds are only support to their summoned ones. And their summoned ones are more powerful than Kail's recruited ones, and BL can take a bless that optimizes that; while Kail cannot. And mid game is a turning point, and by late game standard units are almost unimportant. So in that sense BL has stronger sacreds than Kail. --This is why BL is more of a summoning nation that Kail, this is why BL is better situated to use Siddhas, Gandharvas, even Yaksha (even if they must summon them) than Kail.-- People's failure to pick up on this is the reason BL has no victories. Of all the ages (Kail/BL/Patala) BL has the most summoning options. And a sufficient even if lackluster line up of standard units allows them enough flexibility to use them (aka, they don't have to play to a particular weakness or idiosyncrasy in their standard units).

It is hyperbole to say this, but it will help you get the idea:
Bandar Log is like a more colorful Ermor with Astral... and elephants.


PS.
Also, reading through Baalz's guide, he REALLY gets at the point of BL being a nation who's challenge is management, not power. They have power, it is managing it that is the problem. He notes spot on that BL has a tool for everything, a weakness for everything, and in the same sense infinite ways to waste money. It is always about having JUST the right combination, and knowing what that combination is. BL has what it takes to win, does the player have what it takes to win is the question. People are used to playing in a way that there is one unit and one spell and one way of doing things. BL is not that nation. You have to read the situation, you have to play deliberately.

Last edited by Omnirizon; September 24th, 2008 at 07:13 PM..
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