hmm fallout has about same game mechanics as previous settings, definately feels post nuclear and has a lot of background stuff in it and I like the game better than the previous installments. While I agree Oblivion has a somewhat standard setting the mechanics of the game are pretty good and the texts, quests and story in both games are good IMHO personally I couldn't finish arcanum due to it getting pretty boring. Oblivion is not dumbed down compared to Daggerfall I'd say and neither is Fall out 3 compared too 1 and 2.
Hmm I guess we've both made up our opinions on plenty of experience and have had plenty of thought to get to this opinion so we probably won't agree on this even if we talk ad infinitum so we'll just have to agree to disagree in an effort not to hijack this thread (happens to me too often anyway

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But I'd advice both oblivion and fall out 3 too any RPG player.
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