January 12th, 2009, 06:25 PM
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Re: Operational Discussion
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Originally Posted by Mobhack
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Originally Posted by Charles22
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Originally Posted by Imp
I don't quite know why I am bothering here but it may intrest you.
I have never looked at the models before but checked a few.
IIIj IIIL PantherG Tiger
The game does a nice job of modeling diffrent guns both on penetration & accuracy the Panthers gun being top dog & is in fact more accurate than most modern guns having a long barrel & high velocity. German engineering.
I would say the Tiger armour could be increased by 1 if you take mantlet (120mm)
25 degree off vertical slope of lower front hull section & quality of the plate into account.
I would have given it 13 for the front turret as mantlet Brinell rating is 280.
Also penetration levels listed for ISU-122 from Jentz (unconfirmed by me) list need to be a lot closer.
Panther & L spot on so stopped looking.
Conclusion the game is near enough right generaly if you mod it by more than that rename it because its not a Tiger anymore.
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I'm sure you know well that there are better German guns than what you listed, though those are very good. Don't make the mistake of thinking the 88 on the Tiger is a real good one, because the KTiger, Nashorn, Elefant, AFV's all carry the 88L71, quite a bit better than the 88L56 of the Tiger, and quite a bit better than the 75L70 I think it is of the Panther's, JPZIVL's etc. The 88L71 combines the best punch, range, and accuracy of any gun. I guess the 128L56 is close, but isn't as accurate and the ammo is limited. |
Ignoring "best" results where the WH size adds extra (and are not there to bet the farm on) - the 88L71 and the 128kwk are both reliably producing 18 at 1400m (but both 20 at 1100, though 18 for the 88 and 20 for the 128 then till 1400) . Then the 88 starts to fall off more noticeably. So marginal over 1000, about the same under it, and real advantage to the 128 only starts at 1400.
A specialist gun for plinking Stalins at the longer ranges. I would prefer a straight Tiger 2 over Jagtigers in 97% of all cases. More stored kills.
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I suppose the info you just related is history and not game data correct? Because I had no idea the game would have guns declining in accuracy at different ranges unless one had longer range than the other. IOW, all 40 range guns would lose the same percentage from the highest accuracy, if they shot at the same hex. For example two guns of 40 range, fire at hexes 20 away. They both lose perhaps 40% accuracy, despite what their accuracy rating is. The one with the higher accuracy will always fire more accuractely, but they both lose the same percentage when they have the same maximum range. A range 50 gun, would lose less of a percentage than those two at hex 20.
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