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					Originally Posted by chrispedersen  random bs |  Here is the problem on how you handled your game.
 
You went into the game with an all or nothing strat in hopes of blind luck looking in your favor rather than actual strategy.  I believe that you fully intended on quitting/subbing/staling if anything even went wrong with your start.  I would not have minded this as much if not for a few factors.
 
After you got lucky enough to bump into a nation that didn't take a SC pretender god, you tried to get him to flat out resign to you to give you an undeserved leg up in the game.  "It was he, after jumping me and when I had a total of 11 troops left in the whole game, and no mages, tried to get me to resign, so that he would have a better chance..."
 
This was annoying enough.
 
Second, if you truly decided your game is over (hardly since Archae is in an awful spot as well) then saying, "good game" and getting the last few turns over with would've been proper form.  Heck, even doing some half assed turns or worse, staling is better form than /lying/ about your position to get a sub.
 
Also I don't believe a word you said about you couldn't expand due to losses.  Your army graph never dipped and you had constant province growth.
 
As for your "test games" and claim that "the manual said it would work!"  I don't know whether to laugh or shake my head.
 
As I said, I refuse to join another game that you're playing.  Laters. | 
	
 
KissBlade.. 
I'm not going to stoop to the same level.  I will merely point out:
I sent congratulations to arch, even before I opened the turn.
Before this conversation, I reported to llama that I was having problems, first with getting the turn (check back in this thread), and then secondly everytime I submit a turn it says wrong turn number.  
Third:  It is rather usual to start a *second* army. 
As I never expanded *2* - do you think that is just remotely possible it might be because my expansion with my *first* army was thwarted?  Or do you really think that, having spent 800 points on a SC, I would have preferred leaving him no space to which to retreat?
Fourth - Someone that is relying on blind luck, would neither keep the scores table, nor analyze.  I've cut an pasted it below.  
Best Wishes
LlamaServer Scores, Madness turn 2
Provinces
Nation Provinces 
Independents 389 
MA Arcoscephale 1 
MA Man 1 
MA Mictlan 1 
MA Agartha 1 
MA Caelum 1 
MA C'tis 1 
MA Pangaea 1 
MA Vanheim 1 
MA Jotunheim 2 
MA Bandar Log 1 
MA Shinuyama 1 
LA Arcoscephale 1 
LA Man 1 
LA Ulm 1 
LA Marignon 2 
LA Mictlan 1 
LA T'ien Ch'i 1 
LA Agartha 1 
LA Abysia 1 
LA Pangaea 1 
LA Midgard 1 
LA Utgard 1 
LA Pythium 1 
LA Bogarus 1 
Forts
Nation Forts 
Independents 0 
MA Arcoscephale 1 
MA Man 1 
MA Mictlan 1 
MA Agartha 1 
MA Caelum 1 
MA C'tis 1 
MA Pangaea 1 
MA Vanheim 1 
MA Jotunheim 1 
MA Bandar Log 1 
MA Shinuyama 1 
LA Arcoscephale 1 
LA Man 1 
LA Ulm 1 
LA Marignon 1 
LA Mictlan 1 
LA T'ien Ch'i 1 
LA Agartha 1 
LA Abysia 1 
LA Pangaea 1 
LA Midgard 1 
LA Utgard 1 
LA Pythium 1 
LA Bogarus 1 
Income
Nation Income 
Independents 30050 
MA Arcoscephale 713 
MA Man 748 
MA Mictlan 600 
MA Agartha 391 
MA Caelum 541 
MA C'tis 735 
MA Pangaea 315 
MA Vanheim 963 
MA Jotunheim 450 
MA Bandar Log 657 
MA Shinuyama 1133 
LA Arcoscephale 360 
LA Man 829 
LA Ulm 164 
LA Marignon 516 
LA Mictlan 356 
LA T'ien Ch'i 705 
LA Agartha 470 
LA Abysia 314 
LA Pangaea 985 
LA Midgard 786 
LA Utgard 658 
LA Pythium 663 
LA Bogarus 808 
Gem Income
Nation Gem Income 
Independents 255 
MA Arcoscephale 5 
MA Man 5 
MA Mictlan 5 
MA Agartha 5 
MA Caelum 5 
MA C'tis 5 
MA Pangaea 5 
MA Vanheim 5 
MA Jotunheim 5 
MA Bandar Log 5 
MA Shinuyama 5 
LA Arcoscephale 4 
LA Man 4 
LA Ulm 4 
LA Marignon 4 
LA Mictlan 5 
LA T'ien Ch'i 4 
LA Agartha 4 
LA Abysia 4 
LA Pangaea 4 
LA Midgard 4 
LA Utgard 4 
LA Pythium 4 
LA Bogarus 4 
Research
Nation Research 
Independents 0 
MA Arcoscephale 8 
MA Man 0 
MA Mictlan 0 
MA Agartha 0 
MA Caelum 0 
MA C'tis 13 
MA Pangaea 14 
MA Vanheim 0 
MA Jotunheim 0 
MA Bandar Log 29 
MA Shinuyama 8 
LA Arcoscephale 11 
LA Man 0 
LA Ulm 0 
LA Marignon 0 
LA Mictlan 0 
LA T'ien Ch'i 0 
LA Agartha 0 
LA Abysia 44 
LA Pangaea 0 
LA Midgard 0 
LA Utgard 38 
LA Pythium 14 
LA Bogarus 11 
Dominion
Nation Dominion 
Independents 0 
MA Arcoscephale 48 
MA Man 24 
MA Mictlan 45 
MA Agartha 56 
MA Caelum 35 
MA C'tis 66 
MA Pangaea 69 
MA Vanheim 45 
MA Jotunheim 69 
MA Bandar Log 23 
MA Shinuyama 45 
LA Arcoscephale 59 
LA Man 34 
LA Ulm 24 
LA Marignon 79 
LA Mictlan 22 
LA T'ien Ch'i 44 
LA Agartha 35 
LA Abysia 67 
LA Pangaea 56 
LA Midgard 34 
LA Utgard 34 
LA Pythium 56 
LA Bogarus 57 
Army Size
Nation Army Size 
Independents 32000 
MA Arcoscephale 85 
MA Man 56 
MA Mictlan 98 
MA Agartha 74 
MA Caelum 123 
MA C'tis 94 
MA Pangaea 86 
MA Vanheim 65 
MA Jotunheim 76 
MA Bandar Log 76 
MA Shinuyama 65 
LA Arcoscephale 71 
LA Man 68 
LA Ulm 60 
LA Marignon 57 
LA Mictlan 112 
LA T'ien Ch'i 119 
LA Agartha 68 
LA Abysia 62 
LA Pangaea 100 
LA Midgard 74 
LA Utgard 68 
LA Pythium 46 
LA Bogarus 80 
Victory Points
Nation Victory Points 
Independents 2 
MA Arcoscephale 1 
MA Man 1 
MA Mictlan 1 
MA Agartha 1 
MA Caelum 1 
MA C'tis 1 
MA Pangaea 1 
MA Vanheim 1 
MA Jotunheim 1 
MA Bandar Log 1 
MA Shinuyama 1 
LA Arcoscephale 1 
LA Man 1 
LA Ulm 1 
LA Marignon 1 
LA Mictlan 1 
LA T'ien Ch'i 1 
LA Agartha 1 
LA Abysia 1 
LA Pangaea 1 
LA Midgard 1 
LA Utgard 1 
LA Pythium 1 
LA Bogarus 1 
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