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					Originally Posted by VedalkenBear  Red: With respect, I at least have been hearing that since... well, last year it seems.  I understand the need to test, but some word about a firm date would be appreciated. | 
	
 Because there is no way to give a firm date.  There is "soon", and there is "now".  Any programmer who tells you anything else (except for "never" or "later" 

), is simply lying to you.
ie- there is no way to know how long testing will require, until it is complete.  It's just a waste of time to give progress reports, since if it's not out, it's a fair assumption there is something potentially wrong with it - anything beyond that is of no use to us.