[Micah]

Just to chime in: Team games do allow substantially larger maps since no one player is having to manage everything. I generally find 50 provinces about the threshold of "fun" for me. Assuming the game would end if the vets get a bit more than half the map that would give 50 provs * 4 players / 50% of the map = 400 provs maximum. Of course if you disagree with the 50 prov number it changes things, but the point is team games cut down the amount of MM each player has to do by a lot. I'm also not playing this round, so I don't get a vote. =)