[Septimius Severus]

Thanks for your input Cleveland. I like your map and I like your placement suggestions. If everyone is ok with these, let us use it and be done with it.

Hoplo, while your suggestions are good and appreciated, the irregularity of normal or random maps introduces placement issues that I just don't want to be bothered with this time. Having some water does provide some interesting strategic options even for land only nations. Symetrical maps probably make equi-distant and equally spaced placements (without regard to surrounding terrain and other biased factors) much easier and thus reduce the chance of any charges of unfairness or other such things.

Both teams (particularly the vet team) shall have the right to review the nations I place in these starting locales as suggested by cleveland and/or to specify which of their nations once assigned goes where. I hope this will be satisfactory for all.

Edit: the two centermost vets seem to be a bit off center though, I might shift them 1 province south, to make everything a bit more even and it may be best to move the noob out of the center and have 6 noobs north and six south. But otherwise everything else looks fine to me. But those are just my suggested revisions. If people don't want them, we can just go for Clevelands original placement.