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Originally Posted by iainuki
The trouble with Carnute bare chests is I'm not sure when I'd use them. They really aren't much better at armor penetration than Marverni bare chests (7 axe + 11 Str = 18 versus 6 broad sword + 10 Str = 16) without berserk, but if you're using Carnute bare chests instead of Carnute nobles chances are you're up against high-damage or armor-negating attacks which will kill them in one hit and thus they won't go berserk. In the later parts of the game, I find that I have an overabundance of resources so I'd rather just hire more Carnute nobles even if I'm facing high-damage or armor-negating attacks because they aren't much more gold-expensive than the Carnute bare chests.
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Yeah, sure the nobles are better if you are indeed not restricted by resources. I suppose this depends on your playstyle and if you take production or not. The way I play I usually don´t buy too many units until I need them and therefore I appreciate low recource units that can be massed on a few turns. I usually have lots of gold later in the game when I´m done building forts. When I have access to the more juicy buffs I find it very effective to spew out hordes of carnute bare chests with a druid or two to buff them up. If there is a fairy queen for fog warriors as well then the choice is even easier. But until you have those kind of buffs researched I´m not arguing the superiority of the nobles.
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Fantomen, I don't understand your comment: "Marverni should take luck *and* order IMO. The bloodhenge druids are so good for kick starting bloodstone production that the lack of synergy is neglible."
I mean, I don't know what bloodhenge druids have to do with luck and order, and I've never seen bloodhenge druids as recruitables. (I have wished many times for them!) Luck and order can work if you're going for max scales; it works better in CBM, I think, because of the increased effect of luck on random events.
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The bloodhenge druid is a Marverni hero, and you may get several. I play them with luck 3 and I usually land one or two before the end of year two, which gets you bloodstones much faster than scouts. But turmoil is not a good option for marverni, you need the gold. Hence order+luck.