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Originally Posted by Fantomen

Yes thats right, good point. However I don´t find the trogs very competetive on their own. I think that in general you´ll want to use dom pushing or summons if you have to go into cold dominion.

Oh yes, I beleive you even thanked me for that idea in the CBM thread. I was playing around a lot with nature and blood, but after extensive testing I came to the conclution that extra range don´t make much difference, that cavern guards beat Ancient ones in the long run even given nature and blood and that those paths are not what the nation needs, especially without blood stones. One thing I ralised is that you´ll have lots of earth gems anyway, more than enough to pull the stuff in this this guide off usually.


Ahem... Your *whole nation* are fully amphibious, getting into water is no problem at all. Would you really sacrifice the hammers, mentors, rings and golems to get... what? Nature searching for forts can easily be done by giving breath rings or shambler skins to indy shamans. Water you have on your oracles.


I mentioned it I beleive. But yeah, thats right.

It is justified many times over when you drop mechanical militia as described in the section "Gear four", try it.

Thanks for that, but I feel you are missing my point a bit (no offense) The bolas and medallions are minor details, the core of this strategy is to build your armies a certain way to circumvent low attack values, create the foundation for outstanding research without getting dry on gems, launch a solid defence system and finally to multiply your strenght through darkness and heavy buffs.

I play a *lot* with agartha - as I've been writing a mod for them so I'm fully cognizant of the need to maximize their ability to hit. So I agree with that point. Darkness rocks!

Some other things to mention.

Agarthans are mostly size 4. The ability to mix in size two units (or better, size 1 units) is invaluable. Play with placement so the normals don't take undue casualties.

Independent shamans can be invaluable for tanglevines as well.

I agree that Trogs attrit too much to lean on. Mostly I was correcting your point #1.

As for considering the olm - I stand by that comment. There is a huge differenct between ramping up immediately - and having to wait for item construction.

I am not impressed with mechanical militia. Nice but any competent late game army is going to beat pd. I'd rather be spending gems on gear, or earth attacks. And generally $$ on mages, forts.

I still don't think anyone is going to confuse you with mictlan, lanka, niefle, as a superpower. Even with a good guide, I'd still rate them a C- for competitive multiplayer. Anyway its your guide, its good, and I'll leave the lasts words for you!