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Originally Posted by Amorphous
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Originally Posted by Squirrelloid
Disagree with Amorphous re: Wraithsword. I would never forge one. Ever. Shadow Brand or Dusk dagger are both vastly preferable, and cost fewer gems to boot. Sure, they both require 2 paths, but you must have gems *somewhere*. And generally you're going to be using your d gems for other things, so chances are its d you're short on and something else you have in excess quantity. Heck, if it must be d gems, I'd take a bane blade over a wraith sword since its 1/5 the price!
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Neither of those provide you with reinvigoration, so they are not suitable replacements for a Wraith Sword.
If all you are after is damage, a Wraith Sword is not what you need, but there are other situations.
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Now, I accept that the 2h sword of sharpness has a place. Its also better than the 1h sword of sharpness, as it should be. But wraith sword is expensive, late in research, and inferior to a large number of other weapons. For its cost it should be the best weapon for some task. Its not.
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If you want lifedrain you have to choose between Wraith Sword, Blood Thorn or Standard of the Damned, but that last one is in form of an item spell. |
Reinvigoration: there are plenty of non-weapon ways to get this, none of whom require you to make attacks to get the reinvigoration. And if the option is a crappy weapon and reinvigoration or a good weapon and reinvigoration from elsewhere, especially when a good weapon + an item of reinvigoration is << the cost of a wraithsword, well, i'll take the two item solution every time.
Lifedrain: When has any thug or SC design required lifedrain to be useful, especially since its so trivial to counter? Seriously, cast Soul Vortex already if you want it that badly...
The only thug I can think of that cares about a weapon like this is the Skratti, who will take the Blood Thorn every time because blood slaves are cheap and expendable (and it takes fewer slaves than the wraithsword does d, and is 1h to boot!)
At 10d the wraithsword would still be overpriced for what it does.
You've still failed to show a reason anyone would actually build one of the things, especially when the alternatives are all better by any metric, including the exact features that might tempt one to make a wraith sword to begin with. When you stack on this that what a wraith sword does is not especially useful for thugs or SCs as they are typically geared, and the wraith sword saddles its relatively unimportant good features with an otherwise bad weapon at a ridiculous gem price, its pretty clear no one would ever bother to use it.
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Again, this does not solve the reinvigoration issue.
If all you are looking for is high damage numbers, it does not make any sense to even attempt to fix the Wraith Sword. Just remove it along with any other weapons with special abilities that do not directly detract from the hp of your opponents.
If you need reinvigoration and you insist on wielding a Frost Brand, fine, but you have to get the reinvigoration from somewhere else, because the sword is certainly not solving the issue. So where do you get it, the gems for it and the needed slots?
As long as that is not done, the statement that the brand or any other weapon is superior in comparison to the Wraith Sword is not really worth anything.
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Boots of the Messenger. 5n. A Fomorian druid forges it for 3n with a hammer (your pretender has E to make the hammer). Frost brand + boots of the messenger = 3w + 3n with hammers << 18d for a wraithsword, and vastly better at any function.
Alternately: FK casts Soul Vortex...