[thejeff]

Vanheim paints their actions as concern for others rather than an open grab for power themselves. After destroying T'ien Ch'i and Neifelheim with their allies and while crushing the last of Hinnom, these protests sound somewhat hollow. Save yourselves from the yoke of Atlantis and submit to Vanheim instead? Who has shown himself willing to break his sworn word?

Yes, Atlantis is strong. Yes, Atlantis has clams. I suspect we are not the only ones and I would hardly call our efforts massive. (At least not by the standards I've seen in other games.) Nor am I the only one with Tartarians. And someone else holds the Chalice.