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Originally Posted by Fantomen
Note that some undead can never etner the water under any circumstances, vampires I know for sure. Perhaps mummies too?
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That would make sense [S]bio[/S]necrology-wise. For hidden in sand, too. And I just wanted to give a couple of rebirth-ed niefel jarls a second chance without upsetting good jotunfolk with the smell... Should have twiceborned them in advance.
Now why the banes can't enter water, beats me.
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20 giants assumes size 3, so niefels would be 10 i suppose (minus the commander so 9)
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Niefels are sz 5 according to Dom3DB. Common jotuns are 4, 3 is a human cavalry size.