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Originally Posted by Squirrelloid
Ok, if there is only going to be 1 UW province, Rlyeh is useless.
(1) it needs UW provinces to make its expansion not suck, and its expansion is still pretty subpar without an awake SC pretender (with the usual choice being a kraken - a nonstarter here).
(2) it needs UW provinces to build forts in so it can actually recruit national troops. What's the point of being Rlyeh if you can't recruit starspawn except at your capital?
(3) it needs *at least* coastal forts so it can recruit *anything at all* other than independents.
Rlyeh already has a problem resupplying armies far from the water. You've just made that area the entire map. Only a moron would agree to play Rlyeh in this game. Seriously, what do those people supporting gimping Rlyeh like this think they're going to do? Why should Rlyeh be forced to play a 1 fort game while everyone else gets to play normally?
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Good points squirrel though I did observe the following:
1. With the level of independents we will be playing with, R'lyeh was able to expand very well initially using only its starting amphibious force and a nice void lord or even a Wyrm.
2. R'lyeh could build costal forts in all of the cap neighboring provinces (and I can increase the number of cap neighbors up to a logical limit) and thus r'lyeh can have a pretty good starting supply of Hyrbrid units (Hybrid soldier, Hybrid troop, star children assassins (I love those guys).
3. We can further compensate R'lyeh with a pop/gold boost in the capital or another suitable map edit.
4. It would force R'lyeh have to be careful about where it puts its inland forts, something people are supposed to do anyway, choosing only provinces with strong indies and useful mages (amazons/gryphons/garnet , crystal mages, etc.)
Considering the above, the gimping might not be that bad and R'lyeh is just fun to play, hell, I'd even be the moron to play it, even though I vowed not to play in the next game (in the starting lineup).
The other option of course for the competitive\balanced minded players is my original lineup for Haleheim and the other nations, which you liked but DrP and Chris seem to have problems with, even with Ashdod relegated to the rear/noob postion. That is unless you guys want me to go back to the Arboreans.
So you've got a choice, my original lineup Squirreloid approved or Chris' alternate version. If only the fresh water terrain mask worked for coastal purposes.I suppose I could spread out a few other "underwater lake" sea provinces but whatever I do, I know I don't wish to do any work on the map graphics or the starting locations. Changing terrain masks is easy it just needs to make sense.