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					Originally Posted by  Sombre
					 
				 
				As the normal weapon but they get to make an mr check to negate it, iirc. 
			
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 I thought it bypassed defense and only had to make a check against MR.  If it passed the MR check, then it had to deal with protection.  Is that not how it works?  You're saying it has to get by a MR check before being treated like a non-phantasmal weapon?  If so, yeesh...no wonder I couldn't hit them.
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					Originally Posted by  Sombre
					 
				 
				Oh and knights of avalon have alicorn horn attacks, which are magical. Plus they have a lot of attacks anyway, so they'll break through ethereal regardless in 2 rounds or so. 
			
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 It was against Knights, not Knights of Avalon.  What's the percentage chance that a non-magical weapon will overcome a unit's ethereal-ness?