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Graeme's point was you should be familiar with how MP is played, especially by the more competitive players, in order for your opinion on MP games to be taken seriously. You should also have experience with the mod in question. I haven't seen Gandalf sign up to use any CBM 1.6 games, maybe he has, I don't know, but his general apparent hostility to the mod doesn't seem well reasoned, and he doesn't seem to understand the MP metagame at all. (His association of CBM with 'dueling' is mindboggling, since I've only seen one duel game ever organized on this or any other forum - not that I can say I follow all the forums Dom3 gets games organized on, but dueling seems really rare).
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Originally Posted by Gandalf Parker
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Originally Posted by Graeme Dice
Ideally one should be an active player of multiplayer games to expect your opinion about multiplayer games to be considered useful.
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I said I am. Im in 3 at the moment long games. Not to mention short irc games. How many are you in right now? |
How many of those games use CBM? If you want your opinion on CBM to carry any weight you need to actually play with it.
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But... who jumped us just to mp? Ive been told that cbm is something everyone should used including solo players and brand new people. Both of those I disagree with. If you do also then we at least have one agreement.
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If you never intend to play MP, then sure, play vanilla. Play totally random stuff. Play whatever the hell you want. It doesn't matter.
If you intend to play MP (especially on this or the new more-sombre forums), you should just start with CBM and never look back, because 80+% of games use CBM. Might as well familiarize yourself with the version of the game you'll actually be using most of the time, even in SP.
If nothing else, eliminating gem gens means that I will actively avoid playing in non-CBM 1.6+ games from now on, because gem gens leads to degenerate gameplay that I don't find appealing. (Note I'm only subbing in this game as a favor to Chris). Lots of other players feel the same way. So just because a minority of games still happen using vanilla doesn't mean you'd ever have to actually play in one. And since most of the best MPers seem to only play CBM, if you want to play against the strongest players the game has to offer you're going to want to spend your time practicing CBM.