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					Originally Posted by Psycho  All basic MR checks are made against penalty of 12 (shields, mind burns, paralysis, etc). You really shouldn't trust your manual. |  Oh, right. I had forgotten about that. The manual had me fooled with it's claims of basic penetration being 10.
 
I meant a -4 penalty to a basic MR check. Which would mean a penetration strength of 16. I guess the pen in the debug log stand for penetration strength and not penalty. 
 
I ran some tests and it turns out:
Vine & Eye shields: Pen 12 Medusa: Pen 13
 Totem: Pen 16 (so a -4 penalty, just like the manual claims)
 
The eye shield kind of surprised me. It seems to work more often then that. Too bad I don't have the turn file when Gregstrom and I duked it out with eye shields, mage bane and the aegis. It would have been interesting to see the die rolls. | 
	
 
Eye Shield vs Vine shields:
With open ended die rolls eye shields will seem more effective - each hit has a chance of resulting in eyeloss; whereas vine shields will result cancel attacks, if successful.